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    Last night at my local camera club, a colleague and I were running a practical evening on portrait photography. Part of this was a series of practical exercises that offered members the opportunity to try out various setups using studio and portable flash along with continuous lighting. One member was excluded from most of the exercises as her camera, a Canon 250D has no way of triggering the remote flashes as it is NOT equipped with either a PC socket or a central hot shoe contact. What genius at Canon thought that this was a clever idea? I have been taking photographs for over 60 years and been triggering flashes using one or other of these methods for most of them. The removal of any mechanism to trigger external studio flashes stops people that own these models of Canon camera from one complete branch of photography.
    The non-Canon photographers couldn't believe that Canon had done this. I cannot understand why they have. Is it to force people to buy more expensive models of camera? I don't know.
    It is yet another example of a company that seems determined to alienate its customers.
    I have been a Canon user since the introduction of the A1 in the late seventies. I moved to the EOS system when it was introduced and moved to digital EOS models in the early 2000s, I have owned a total of 14 Canon cameras over time most of which were high end models. Of late I can see no reason to remain loyal to the brand. The company have alienated me through their continual minor changes that make no logical sense and their ridiculous attitude toward third party lenses and accessories. I love the Canon cameras that I have but will not be buy anymore. There are other manufacturers that do seem to be listening to their customers, so it's time for a change. I shall continue to use my 5D Mk IVs until they drop to bits but will bin the R system as I do not wish to commit to a system from a manufacturer that changes things just because they can, without regard to the consequences.
    Last edited by SpringfieldPhoto; 08-03-2023, 01:43.
    Alan

    No longer using Canon but still teaching new Canon users (and others) the gentle art of Photography.

    http://www.springfield-photography.com/

    #2
    It sems crazy to actually remove a feature that logically would be standardised across the range.....and its cruel that those likely to buy a lower priced model are unlikely to notice until caught out.

    I totally get what you are saying but Its been going on for some time .....I remember being interested in a Pentax P30 in the 70s, had a manual and program mode but no aperture or shutter priority....so bought a Minolta instead.

    I guess we need a checklist before we select a camera in the future - to ensure it has what we need and what we just might need in the future.

    Regarding third party lenses and Canon restricting RF mount versions...supposedly EF mount versions work perfectly well with EF/RF adaptors.

    Ive tried lots of cameras Olympus, Fuji and come back to Canon...excellent menus, beautiful clarity and natural colours...they also make the whole camera not just buy in Sony sensors like several do.

    I'm sticking with canon because I love using the R6 and RF lenses and their output...I also have a Leica M240 and Summicron lenses, rangefinders are a different experience...great character but I keep coming back to the superbly capable Canon ( I just dont like using canon manual focus as much as the rangefinder)

    Just my 10 penneth.
    Brian Vickers LRPS

    brianvickersphotography.com

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      #3
      I look upon cameras like cars, they all got their bad points they all got their good ones. I’ve had a Canon cameras since the age of 14. - still got some of them boxed! Still happy to continue with Canon as my still images cameras. Not got any third party lens now sold them all a short while back.
      Trev

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        #4
        No bad experiences for me, I came to Canon after I got rid of my Mamiya medium format film camera and there was fungus growing in my bridge camera lens some 20 years ago, as you know I don't use a dslr much now, but see no reason to move brands as my C100 has an ef mount. I can use other manufacturers lenses with all my cameras, but my experience is they are not as good as Canon, auto focus and image stabilisation is much better on the Canon lenses, generally quieter too, which is important when photographing wildlife.
        Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way

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          #5
          I accept that the R6 and R6 MII are technological wonders but that isn't the point. It is all about choice. I seldom use a standard zoom as I don't often go out in a casual way not knowing what I may see. The Canon consumer lenses are plastic, un weather sealed and no that cheap. This is where I would have normally gone for a third party lens that was not as expensive as an L lens but better in many ways than a consumer lens. In the case of my studio photography the two main lenses I use are both third party lenses and this is because they actually perform better in the studio than Canon equivalent lenses. Its about choice.
          Sony 249 lenses from 8 manufacturers. That's choice.
          My R6 has cost me money to buy cables to convert to new sockets for my remote control and for HDMI why change? Apparently if I wish to use my flash guns on future models I will need an adapter. Generally these small simple things cost a fortune from Canon. As for using EF lenses I might just as well use an adapter on a Sony as Sigma guarantee that their lenses will work properly on a Sony body using their adapter. There is no such guarantee with a Canon body using a Canon adapter for my very high performance Sigma glass. So as they work on the 5D Mk IVs I shall continue to use them on those cameras and will either sell or PX the R6 and replace it with a Sony.
          As the Sony A7R V has just been awarded both best professional camera and product of the year by Amateur Photographer it has shot to the top of my list of possibles. Cheaper than an R5 and with many superb features it is a a tempting offering.
          One final point, the fact that other manufacturers buy there sensors from Sony suggests to me that Sony may well have the best technology out there. They have BSI and stacked sensors which offer better dynamic range on a number of models and spend an enormous amount on developing sensor technology.
          Last edited by SpringfieldPhoto; 09-03-2023, 15:14.
          Alan

          No longer using Canon but still teaching new Canon users (and others) the gentle art of Photography.

          http://www.springfield-photography.com/

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            #6
            Horses for courses I guess, were I to just shoot indoors, I'd probably use a medium format digital camera myself, both Mamiya and Hasselblad are options I have looked at.
            Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way

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              #7
              Originally posted by tigerburnie View Post
              Horses for courses I guess, were I to just shoot indoors, I'd probably use a medium format digital camera myself, both Mamiya and Hasselblad are options I have looked at.

              Can I introduce you to the - Hasselblad H6D-100c Medium Format Digital Camera @ 31080.00
              Trev

              Equipment - According to the wife more than a Camera Shop got

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                #8
                I still say that the 5D Mk IV is the best stills camera I have ever used and is nicer to use than the R6.
                Last edited by SpringfieldPhoto; 10-03-2023, 17:01.
                Alan

                No longer using Canon but still teaching new Canon users (and others) the gentle art of Photography.

                http://www.springfield-photography.com/

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                  #9
                  Absolutely its choice....I totally agree.
                  The non-L lenses are plastic, so are the L lenses, heavier and bigger but not much in it when it comes to appearance.
                  I don't like that Canon use the 'Consumer', 'Enthusiast' and 'pro' designations....that just prejudices decisions to push towards the most expensive. Ive had a good set of fast L primes and zooms in the past and sometimes get tempted to trade my STM versions for L again...but then I think I can carry the R6, 16mm, 50mm, 24-105 and 100-400 and 600 in a small backpack ...its a different decision if using in a studio of course.
                  Beware that Sony menus are famously difficult...according to legend and my experience with RX100.
                  All systems have their pros and cons.
                  I think the 5DIV is an excellent camera as is the L glass that goes with it....I'd definitely keep that whilst trying a new system just in case.
                  Brian Vickers LRPS

                  brianvickersphotography.com

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                    #10
                    The fanatical support for L glass amazes me. I bought my three Sigma Art prime lenses because they outperformed the equivalent Canon glass L or otherwise, not because they were cheaper. Third party lenses from several respected manufacturers often outperform camera manufacturers glass they also, often fill gaps in market that the OEMs don't fill. An example is my Sigma 105mm f1.4 portrait lens. Nicknamed the Bokeh Master by one reviewer. Canon have not had anything like it's a specialist lens. For these reasons I have no choice but to move to another manufacturer that is supportive of third-party glass.
                    Alan

                    No longer using Canon but still teaching new Canon users (and others) the gentle art of Photography.

                    http://www.springfield-photography.com/

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                      #11
                      Not fanatical support here, the lens has to do a job, trying to film fast moving wildlife requires more than just a nice bokeh, I have a Sigma lens that does a specific job admirably, but cost was the only reason I bought it as the same lens from Canon is far superior. Now I have friends who use Nikon cameras and lenses and there's seem to be just as good as Canon, but Nikon lenses don't fit on Canon cameras. If you then factor in Canons colour rendering, it tends to beat most of the opposition, I know of a couple of professional film makers who use Canon lenses purely because of their quality, each to their own I guess.
                      Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way

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                        #12
                        I may of missed the point here as I'm not that clued up on everything , but if Canon are changing the way they manufacture there new cameras and lenses, would we better showing people how great Canon equipment is by pointing them in the direction of their older models that still have everything people need?

                        I have a 40d and use it mainly with a Canon 50mm f1.8 and have a sigma 18-55 and sigma 70-300 and I can honestly say that I've never found myself in a situation where the camera hasn't done what I needed it too and the sigma lenses work great with it. I love my canon and it's 15 years old now.
                        Personally I can't see me moving to another brand anytime soon and not the R-series even if money wasn't a issue. I get technology improves and people want the new stuff but the old tech was once the best so why can't it be enough now?

                        I certainly understand your frustration though Alan ,especially since you have been using Canon all your life and career

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                          #13
                          I agree with Nath, I love the 5D Mk 4s that I have and am far from wowed by the new technology. Inevitably we will be forced to accept the new technology as the old will be obsolete and worn out. I am not looking for ward to that day as I am far from happy with what the R system offers. I dipped my toe in the water to see if this new technology was as wonderful as as it was made out to be. I have not enjoyed the experience and I will not continue with the R system. The technology is too clever. It takes over and takes the fun and the skill out of my photography. There is far too much emphasis on video which holds no interest for whatsoever. So many of the features make no sense to me, why would you ever want to use 40 frames per second for example.
                          Alan

                          No longer using Canon but still teaching new Canon users (and others) the gentle art of Photography.

                          http://www.springfield-photography.com/

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