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    Buying a new computer or upgrading-tips and suggestions

    For those folk that are considering a new computer, or upgrading a current one, I thought it could be useful to have a thread where the experienced togs that lurk around the forum could pass on any advice, tips and suggestions on what would make the computer run more efficiently/faster/stable.

    It's not a thread about spending busloads of dosh to get the ultimate flying machine, nor is it a bunfight on what is the best operating system.

    I'll start with what I've found that has increased the performance (or not) of my computers.

    Installing a SSD (Solid State Drive)

    This was one of my better upgrades, and with prices tumbling, it's a worthwhile upgrade, or specifying one if a new system. Current prices around £50-£60 for a 128GB drive. I use the SSD as my OS drive, with everything else stored on internal/external sata/USB drives.

    Using USB3

    If buying a new machine, it's worth speccing USB3 ports, my motherboard has only USB2 ports, so I purchased a USB3 Pci card , took 15 minutes to install/load drivers, and alongside this I bought a USB3 memory card reader. It has been stated that USB3 is around 10 times faster than a USB2 device, most real world experience (including mine) is that USB3 is 3 times faster than USB2, which is still a significant speed gain. What it means for me, is that instead of importing the raw files I intend to work on to an internal hard drive, I work on the raw files (in PS or LR) directly with the files on the card reader. So for £26 for both the USB3 Pci and USB3 card reader combined, a relatively cheap efficiency saving.

    64 bit rather than 32 bit

    Mainly a consideration for those purchasing new, 32 bit machines are limited to 4GB of main memory, with 64 bit you can go well beyond 4GB. A few years ago there were a few software/driver compatibility problems with running 64bit machines, I think this is now a thing of the past.

    Increase memory

    4GB is probably the minimum anyone should considerif running LR/PS/DPP, and if your motherboard can take it and running a 64 bit machine, upgrading to 8GB (or more) is worth it, memory prices are still relatively cheap (e.g. 2x4GB memory-around £25-£30)

    Graphics Card

    Unless you are out and out gamer or do a lot of video editing, then there is not much point in upgrading or speccing a high end graphics card. I recently upgraded my graphics card from a medium to a higher end card, because I generally surf the web/image processing, there was no real difference in performance, so a complete waste of money for me.(please don't tell SWMBO)

    Processor

    This is an area where I think it's prudent to buy the best you can afford, image processing is heavily dependant on the processor (and memory), so skimping in this area should be avoided.

    Monitor

    Once again, it's probably beneficial to buy or spec a good quality monitor, I've learnt by mistakes, going the cheap and cheerful route does your head in, and although the point can be debatable, a 22 inch monitor (for desktop) is probably the minimum size that should be considered.

    Anyway, these are some of the gains I've been able to make without bankrupting the family, I'm sure others have other tips and recommendations, which will hopefully add to this knowledge bank.
    Last edited by Les McLean; 29-10-2012, 13:29.
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    Light makes photography. Embrace light. Admire it. Love it. But above all, know light. Know it for all you are worth, and you will know the key to photography- George Eastman

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    Re: Buying a new computer or upgrading-tips and suggestions

    Very interesting Les
    I bought a new PC last month
    64-bit, 2Tb Hard Drive, 16 Gb Ram, Samsung 24" LED monitor - so much faster than my last PC
    I see a huge difference with the speed in which LR4 & Photomatix Pro processes images

    Mike
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      #3
      Re: Buying a new computer or upgrading-tips and suggestions

      Also now its worth considering an upgrade of your OS now that Windows 8 upgrade is available for £49.99
      Alex

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        Thanks as I'm going to upgrade in December. Apple just upgraded their line on Macs and the new iMacs can be ordered with what Apple is calling a fusion drive. That drive is a combination of an SSD and Hard drive where the operating system is on the SSD Drive plus the standard apple programs they want you to use. What is neat about this drive is that the new mountain lion sees the two as 1 drive with the added intelligence to determine which programs you use the most an move them over to the SSD Drive and move off those you use the least to the hard drive portion.

        The 21" iMac comes w/8G of memory not expandable, however the 27" iMac can be expanded to 32 G of Memory.

        Tom

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          Re: Buying a new computer or upgrading-tips and suggestions

          Good thread Les.

          I have been custom building computers for about 15 years.
          I only do it for family and friends.

          The most important part of any computer is the motherboard.
          This is what everything is plugged in to; hard drive, processor, memory, graphics etc...
          So do not skimp on the motherboard.

          Also remember that a computer system will only run as fast as the slowest component.
          So there is no advantage of having old hard drives or slow memory as this will slow down the whole system.

          Like Les, I use SSD hard drive for the O/S and internal drives for everything else.
          All my hard drives are SATA3 (6Gb/sec).
          I also use DDR3 memory and an Intel i7 processor.

          I also agree with Les in respect of a graphics card, don't waste money on a high-spec gamers graphics card.
          Something mid-high is sufficient.

          Also a 64-bit O/S with a minimum of 6 GB of memory is advisable.

          My system is almost 2 years old now.
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            I've never got into an arms race with computers ... guess by the time PCs came along I was already bored (build myself an MK14 back in the late 70's long after I started using computers). I only use laptops these days ... so I'm waiting for large capacity [>512GB] SSHD's to fall in price ... and normally put in the biggest memory chips it will take. Adobe stuff as always been the thing that tests your hardware ;-)

            As for Windows 8 ... well if you need it (there's a feature you need) and all your existing applications will work correctly under W8 then I wouldn't dissuade anyone. Mind you corporately we are still using the venerable XP (and there's still a Windows 95 machine in daily use in my office). But many swear by the various distributions of UNIX and I've nothing against UNIX (again long time user of it). With virtualisation you can play with multiple OS' if that rocks your boat.

            But read Les/Stephen advice ... but its crucial you have an upgrade strategy so you spend money on something which does show immediate and noticeable gains. So I'd start with SSHD all things being equal [i.e. you got plenty of RAM] and see how she goes.

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              #7
              Re: Buying a new computer or upgrading-tips and suggestions

              Also consider a second monitor the difference it makes imho is well worth it. In Photoshop you can have your tools on one and just the image you are working on on the main one. In Lightroom you can have the photo you are editing on one with all the editing controls and the second can have a full sized 'finished' image.

              If you install an SSD just keep it for the OS and applications move your My Documents / Downloads etc folders to a conventional large drive.
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                Originally posted by 2Beers View Post
                Also now its worth considering an upgrade of your OS now that Windows 8 upgrade is available for £49.99
                NO! I've used the developers preview. It's a hiddeous mess of old and new.Why they can't have gone with one or the other I don't know. Seriously avoid it and get 7.

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                  Re: Buying a new computer or upgrading-tips and suggestions

                  There are monitors and monitors. For critical colour work, go for one which displays consistent colours from different viewing angles. It's surprising how much a small change in viewing angle can change the colour on a poor monitor, and therefore the final image colours. I upgraded my Dell bundled monitor to an IPS (In Plane Switching) monitor and the difference is like night and day. You can also change the 'box' in future whilst retaining the monitor. I use the IPS monitor for the image and the old Dell monitor for the tools etc in a two screen set up.

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                    Re: Buying a new computer or upgrading-tips and suggestions

                    Originally posted by Les McLean View Post
                    For those folk that are considering a new computer,
                    For me i would NOT buy a PC Computer with all that Junk they put in the Computers today the best way is to build it your self the first thing to look for is the CPU 3rd Generation Intel Core i7 (with a good fan) (2) Then the Motherboard (3) The Memory 16 - 32GB DDR3 1600Mhz you will need it if you do RAW edit like me, (4) Will be the Graphics Card more memory is needed something like 1536 or 2048GB is better. (5) Should be a good PSU 750W to run everything (6) a good HDD WD 2TB or 3TB, (7) a good DVD-Rom (8) The Monitor Samsung 27" bigger the better (9) has to be Windows 7 (64Bit) is better than old 32Bit windows today and (10) tower case.

                    If you buy that Junk Computer from PC world you only get one years Warranty on it but if you Build yourself every part is warranty is 2 -3 years and memory is lifetime.
                    Last edited by Michael.K; 01-12-2012, 19:09.
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                      For some people there is no alternative than buying a COTS PC ... they just think building one is too complex - like simultaneously doing brain surgery with your right hand and build a rocket with the left. And whilst I tell them it's as easy a Lego or Meccano (I don't get involved as there would be ongoing support) they just go to John Lewis and buy a pretty one (hopefully with a picture of an Apple on it ).

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                        Re: Buying a new computer or upgrading-tips and suggestions

                        Originally posted by dkane95 View Post
                        NO! I've used the developers preview. It's a hiddeous mess of old and new.Why they can't have gone with one or the other I don't know. Seriously avoid it and get 7.
                        I agree,

                        I've got a laptop with W8, it only works 'well' with a touchscreen and it is clunky, avoid!
                        The camera works just fine, it's the idiot staring through the viewfinder that need's help!

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                          Re: Buying a new computer or upgrading-tips and suggestions

                          I have just re-read this post and agree with the sentiments about Win8, having played with it it is terrible and IMHO a bad retrograde step.

                          There have been a couple of posts in the middle of this thread where people diligently make back-up of their data onto second disks but these are in some cases in the same PC, whilst this will help protect the data from a hard disk failure it will not protect the data if the PC is stolen or if the PC has some catastrophic system failure that could damage the internal disks. Yes you can possibly pay for a specialist company to try and recover the data from a dead disk but this is not always successful and is costly.

                          I would always suggest that if you back up your data to place it onto external devices and if possible store one of these copies in a different location to your main computing HW just in case the worst should happen.

                          Just my thoughts.

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                            Re: Buying a new computer or upgrading-tips and suggestions

                            Originally posted by Muscat View Post

                            There have been a couple of posts in the middle of this thread where people diligently make back-up of their data onto second disks but these are in some cases in the same PC, whilst this will help protect the data from a hard disk failure it will not protect the data if the PC is stolen or if the PC has some catastrophic system failure that could damage the internal disks. Yes you can possibly pay for a specialist company to try and recover the data from a dead disk but this is not always successful and is costly.

                            I would always suggest that if you back up your data to place it onto external devices and if possible store one of these copies in a different location to your main computing HW just in case the worst should happen.

                            Just my thoughts.
                            That's a good point, and it doesn't need to be expensive, USB external drives are relatively cheap, and don't forget the cloud-I backup all my 'keepers' to an internal hard drive, synced to an external hard drive (as tiffs), and then as high quality jpeg's to Microsoft Skydrive (free cloud storage), so if ever my computer/hard drives went up in flames, at least I'd still have the images sitting on Microsofts servers.
                            Concentrate on equipment and you'll take technically good photographs. Concentrate on seeing the light's magic colours and your images will stir the soul. - Jack Dykinga
                            Light makes photography. Embrace light. Admire it. Love it. But above all, know light. Know it for all you are worth, and you will know the key to photography- George Eastman

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                              Originally posted by MX5 View Post
                              For some people there is no alternative than buying a COTS PC ... they just think building one is too complex - like simultaneously doing brain surgery with your right hand and build a rocket with the left. And whilst I tell them it's as easy a Lego or Meccano (I don't get involved as there would be ongoing support) they just go to John Lewis and buy a pretty one (hopefully with a picture of an Apple on it ).
                              Build a PC is not (Complex) or brain surgery as you think every part is like lego set they only fit one way, PC world and other's want you to think it hard build one because they want your money in fact it's Cheaper to build one then buy one + you get the Extra warranty free.
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