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    #16
    Re: Film cameras dead?

    Praktica.

    Colin
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      #17
      Re: Where the Film Photographers are Hiding

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      I could never afford a nice Nikon FM or the like - so used a Practika MTL3 and then a Minolta X300 - wish I still had the Practika! (forgotten how to spell it though).[/QUOTE]

      Practika MTL3 was my first SLR Camera back in 1980 later that year i bought the Canon AE1 Program. Then bought my first EOS mid/late 90s the EOS 500N then the EOS3 in 1999.
      I still have them all would not part with any it is ashame i do not use these no more. The Practika was a camera to lean & do your aprentership in photography with fully manual not like cameras of today.
      https://www.flickr.com/photos/fspimages


      Donald Duck Rode To 500cc World Championships 1976 &1977.
      Canon EOS 40 D 7 D - 5 D Mk II.Canon 100-400mm IS - Canon 24-105mm IS -
      Canon 28-135mm IS - Canon 70-300mm IS - Canon 100mm 2.8 IS - Sigma 120-300mm Sigma 12-24 mm Sigma 10-20mm.

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        #18
        Re: Film cameras dead?

        The instant appeal of digital has killed off film except for specialist applications.
        Nowadays who would wait between two and three weeks(Kodachrome processing) to see the results of a shoot nowadays nevermind carrying a different body for each filmstock.

        I still have my OM1,2,3 bodies but never use them. Also a PraktikaLTL.

        Camera bodies weren't superceded every six months in those days.

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          #19
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          I still have a Canon EOS 100 and a Canon EOS IX (APS)

          I guess it might be interesting to stick the new L glass on them to see what they can deliver
          ef-r

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            #20
            Re: Film cameras dead?

            Originally posted by Ken Stern View Post
            Nigel:
            I also like your ramblings & hope that Film isn't yet dead - I shot film mostly Fuji Provia & Velvia for over 10 yrs & probably would still be opening the back & loading more if it had not become so darn expensive. In 2008 we finally took our 1st trip to Europe - Shot 50 rolls total cost including processing = a little over $600.00 --- Thought about that for about 6 months and then reluctantly put the EOS3 on the shelf, pulled all the remaining film out of the freezer gifting it to a buddy & purchased the 5D mkII. To my great and total surprise the D-Shooter totally out performs film. Simply put the 5D MkII just takes a better photograph.
            not to mention it's easier, quicker, more efficient to edit with Photoshop (or other comparable software), purchase photo paper and print off, or simply preserve on the hard drive.

            of course digital has it's down falls, if you lose all your data, hard drive crashes, but if you take general precautions to back up to DVD disc and/or external hard drive, there really isn't too much risk and if saved in th eproper format (.tiff) they won't degrade in quality over time (as .jpg/.jpeg) will. Not to mention if you don't like a shot, you can just delete, rather having to waste an entire slide and/or roll of film. The cost of a good crop frame will pay itself off in 1000 exposures. takes a little longer for a good full frame to pay itself off, but the full frames are well worth the money spent.

            film is no longer cost efficient, it's a painstaking, time consuming and expensive process that has become for the most part outdated.

            I took a B&W Photography class last spring and since i have already been spoiled by the beauty, convenience and speed of digital photography, I was easily angered and frustrated with the class, the principle of film developing, and the fact that my professor was about as ignorant as a person could get, but I got through the class as it was required in order for me to get to my digital still imaging class which I am currently in. I spent many hours of frustration in the dark room, ruined rolls of film (aka ASSIGNMENTS!) which I did not have time to re-shoot, I'd have just rather had a root canal without anesthesia and been given a B+ for my suffering since it was about on the same level of pain. I sold my Canon EOS Rebel G IMMEDIATELY following the conclusion of my film class and haven't had 1 single regret either. :)

            I will say I first started out on a Nikon N65 Film SLR and I knew nothing about the settings, I just shot in automatic mode all the time, and it wasn't until I sold that camera and purchased my Canon EOS Digital Rebel 300D in April 2008 that I began to delve into the world of photography with a passion, to which I upgraded to the Rebel XTi in February 2009, and to now which I have upgraded to the Full Frame 5D-MkII.
            Canon EOS 5D MK-II | EF 70-300mm f/3.5-5.6 | EF 50mm f/1.8 | EF 16-35mm f/2.8L I USM | EF 24-105mm f/4 IS | EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6 coming 01/2011

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              #21
              Re: Film cameras dead?

              I see the EOS-1v isn't listed in many markets now (including US I think) ... but still on UK listings at £1700. That really only leaves the F6 (and happen some Leica?).

              It's a pity ... there was something magical about buying film in bulk, loading those little grey metal cassettes, taking the photo with manual everything, making my own chemistry, processing the film and doing one’s own printing. You learnt to be careful.

              RIP 135

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                #22
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                You learn to anticipate the moment and turn the motordrive off .................... very expensive stuff film!

                Colin
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                  #23
                  Re: Film cameras dead?

                  Film cameras might have a re-birth/re-launch if DSLR's like the 30D & 40D goes "dead" as mentioned in another thread!
                  Canon 6D; Canon 760D;Canon G15;Canon 40mm f2.8(Pancake);Canon 50mm f1.8(ii); Canon 17mm-40mm f4L;Canon EF-S 10-18mm f4.5-5.6 IS STM;Canon EF-S 55-250mm f4-5.6 STM lens;Canon 24mm-105mmf4L IS;Canon 70-300mm f4-f5.6 L IS USM;Kenko 1.4x HD TC;Canon 430EX ii flash;Giottos tripod;Manfretto monopod;Cokin P filters + bits and pieces!

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                    #24
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                    I think film camera's are probably dead, the strange thing is I am not sure how I feel about that, my film photograpy ended with me owning a canon A1 (the first of the multimodes), it was such a good camera I never upgraded at all. I resisted the digital format until this year. I bought SWMBO a digial compact for Christmas last year I fell in love with the format and that reawakend my interest in photohraphy all over again. I treated myself to the 7d a month or so ago (fabulous camera). I now enjoy everything that goes with it,( no more boxes of photo's in the loft that get looked every few years or so when I'm looking for something else), the after editing with PSE or the like. Although my family do not approve of this they call it cheating, but, havent we always masked, dodge & burned in the darkroom to improve our images, but this I also think is could be the digital achilles heel. I think because it is all so quick and processing relatively cost free (as oppsed to film purchase & processing) I believed we studied the viewfinder and composed the images with a lot more thought, (the very same convienience can make us lazy) checked exposures how many digital owners have a light meter etc, dont take this the wrong way I am not whinging I now delete 50% or more of my own shots because its all so easy, I just think digital only users may just have missed out.
                    As always I suppose looking back with rose tinted glasses, warmer summers, leave the front door open etc.


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                      #25
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                      We used to have to wait two weeks to be disappointed with our photos ....................... now we have the luxury of instant disappointment.

                      Progress indeed.

                      Colin
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                        #26
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                        The other thing I’ve noticed is that every man (& woman) and their dog with a (digital) camera think they can become a pro at the drop of a hat. Sorry too many metaphors.

                        There was something special about the film days and all those names: Kodachrome, Ektachrome, Royal, 2475, Vericolor, FP-n, HP-n, PanF, TriX, …. Ah happy days.

                        You’ll having me sobbing ….

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                          #27
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                          Originally posted by George Bear View Post
                          The other thing I’ve noticed is that every man (& woman) and their dog with a (digital) camera think they can become a pro at the drop of a hat.
                          Not me ........ bin there, dun that!

                          One thing I have noticed though, if you do a really good job for someone, the response often is: That's super work, marvellous quality ........... you must have a really good camera!

                          Colin
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                            #28
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                            I think that’s why so many people (and I’m not including you ColinC as I respect you as a knowledgeable practitioner of the dark art of photography ;-)) think all they need is a decent [digital] camera and they can do a ‘professional job’. This may be true of some that have a natural aptitude but most forget with a business comes all that tedium … like record keeping, form filling, getting work, the patter with clients, blah de blah. I’ve know more than a few in my business that have been made redundant and thought … oh I’ll become a professional photography because I’ve already got everything I need. Then the reality sets in.

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                              #29
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                              More than half of the people today with a camera would not have one if it had not been for digitial & PC. Just because of photoshop & a PC & Printer some think they are master printers,but they could not live in the darkroom world.I see them at my camera club they are full of themselfs (= full of sh?t) .
                              https://www.flickr.com/photos/fspimages


                              Donald Duck Rode To 500cc World Championships 1976 &1977.
                              Canon EOS 40 D 7 D - 5 D Mk II.Canon 100-400mm IS - Canon 24-105mm IS -
                              Canon 28-135mm IS - Canon 70-300mm IS - Canon 100mm 2.8 IS - Sigma 120-300mm Sigma 12-24 mm Sigma 10-20mm.

                              Doncaster Phoenix They Are The Future

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                                #30
                                Re: Film cameras dead?

                                I see them at my camera club they are full of themselfs (= full of sh?t) .
                                Many a true word.

                                I used to love being in the darkroom ........... that's where all the magic happened. More so with black & white, because you could see what was happening. Colour was all done in the processor and you could only see the results when everything had finished.

                                To put a blank piece of B&W paper in the developer and see the image start to appear was the "Alchemy" of photography and I never tired of seeing it.

                                Colin
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