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    200D

    I do have a lot of EOS DSLR bodies, I must admit, undoubtedly more than I actually need. Most of these have been bought used and I've never paid full list price for any of them. However, I've always loved the 100D because of its light weight, so much so that shortly after getting one I bought another, both at just over £200 with very low shutter counts. I use these more than any other, particularly because I hate carrying more weight than necessary, especially when (as usual) I'm out for a walk or doing something else other than going specifically to take photos. I can put both into a small shoulder bag with a different lens on each, depending on what I expect to see. However, even this isn't enough, so often I'll put the 80D with a third lens in a holster bag as well. This does increase the weight quite a bit and so I was naturally interested when the 200D was announced, with the prospect of being able to take three cameras with three lenses (I hate changing lenses in the field as much as I hate carrying extra weight) while still keeping the weight low. However, when I saw the price I really couldn't justify it, after all I can do everything (and more) that the 200D can do with the 80D.

    But, when I saw the 200D on Ebay at £369 new (that's a saving of £210) I couldn't resist. Naturally the company involved is in Hong Kong and the camera isn't covered by Canon UK, but I was prepared to risk that for such a low price. In spite of giving 6 – 8 working days delivery it actually only took 2.5 days and the only obvious difference from a UK sourced camera is the charger comes with a two pin plug and an adapter.

    Anyway, I've had it for a short while and it's exactly as expected. Slightly heavier than the 100D (hardly enough to notice) but otherwise much improved. It looks better, the controls are more ergonomic and it has the articulated screen, something I find very useful to save my knees when shooting from low down. There's nothing I can say about image quality, the sensor (Canon's best APS-C sensor) is identical to that on the 80D, 77D and 800D and so with the same lens and settings there's no difference in IQ. It also has the dual pixel CMOS a/f in live view which is excellent. However, the big weakness is that it still has the same 9 point, only centre point cross type, viewfinder a/f as in the 100D. This is pretty much the same (exactly the same?) as I had in the 450D nine years ago. I can only assume that Canon deliberately left this unchanged as part of its market segmentation policy, to justify the higher price of the 800D. Canon advertise it for people who are converting from smartphones and so they'd probably say that those people are used to using the screen rather than a viewfinder. But not the best camera for fast action then.

    While there are more settings that you can change than on the 100D, there are far less than on the 80D (or 800D). Some of this is frustrating as they are software functions which must be available with the Digic 7 processor but not enabled, again presumably to do with market segmentation.

    So my opinion :
    Is it a big improvement on the 100D? Yes
    Would I be happy with it as my only camera? No, because of the limited viewfinder a/f.
    Am I glad I bought it? Yes.
    Would I pay £579 for it? No (but I would if I didn't already have other bodies)
    Would it be a good beginners camera? Yes, provided their interest wasn't fast action, if so get an 800D or (if weight isn't important) a good used example of an XXD model.
    Will smartphone users be rushing to buy it? No, most will stick to their phones or go mirrorless for even less size and weight.

    There's no reason why a more fully featured camera of the same size couldn't be produced and I'm sure it would be popular with many existing photographers who are considering mirrorless to reduce weight. However, Canon are obviously ignoring this possible market in favour of an, I suspect fruitless, effort to lure in smartphone users as suggested by most of their publicity for this camera. It's far more capable than that, but could have been even better if not deliberately handicapped to protect sales of more expensive models.
    EOS 6D, 6D Mk II, 80D, 70D, 100D, 200D, M50, M100. Canon 10-18, 18 - 55, 55 - 250 IS STM lenses, Canon 16 - 35 mm F4L, 35 mm EF-S macro, 50 mm F1.8 STM, 60 mm EF-S macro, MPE-65 macro, 85 mm F1.8, 200 mm F2.8 L II, M 15 - 45 mm, M 22mm F2, M 32mm F1.4. Sigma 24 - 35 F2 Art, 135 mm F1.8 Art, 17 - 50 F2.8 DC, 105 mm OS macro, 100 - 400 C, 150 - 600 C.

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    Three camera at once!shocked.gif I haven't done that since I stopped using film when I did sometimes have one loaded with slide, one with fast print and one with mono...
    Nigel

    You may know me from Another Place....

    The new ElSid Photogallery...

    Equipment: Far too much to list - including lots of Nikon...

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      #3
      Re: 200D

      If I just take the 3 IS STM lenses, that gives me the full frame equivalent of 16 - 400 mm, with a total weight of about 2 kg. To cover the same with the 6D and changing lenses would more than double that weight, nearly triple it.
      If I change lenses in the field I tend to drop them - or drop one of the end caps and lose it.
      The 50 mm 1.8, 60 mm macro and 85mm1.8 are also some of the light but good lenses I might use with these, it gives me flexibility for most situations.
      EOS 6D, 6D Mk II, 80D, 70D, 100D, 200D, M50, M100. Canon 10-18, 18 - 55, 55 - 250 IS STM lenses, Canon 16 - 35 mm F4L, 35 mm EF-S macro, 50 mm F1.8 STM, 60 mm EF-S macro, MPE-65 macro, 85 mm F1.8, 200 mm F2.8 L II, M 15 - 45 mm, M 22mm F2, M 32mm F1.4. Sigma 24 - 35 F2 Art, 135 mm F1.8 Art, 17 - 50 F2.8 DC, 105 mm OS macro, 100 - 400 C, 150 - 600 C.

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        #4
        Re: 200D

        I am now feeling very poverty stricken ................ I only have one camera!
        Colin

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          #5
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          My lightweight kit is 1x 20D, 1x Tammy 18-270 & 1x Sigma 10-20 - approximately 1600g +batteries and all fits in a small bag...
          Nigel

          You may know me from Another Place....

          The new ElSid Photogallery...

          Equipment: Far too much to list - including lots of Nikon...

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            #6
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            I am now feeling very poverty stricken ................ I only have one camera
            But yours is probably a new high end one.

            When I had film cameras all I could afford for many years were Praktika - so I bought several of them, all used of course. That was when I could afford to "upgrade" from Zenith, which was an upgrade from my Brownie 127.

            When you buy used, especially lower end, they're worth so little that it's not worth trading them in.

            The 70D now lives permanently on my microscope, it's a faff to set up so worth having a camera permanently in place, plus the live view on the 70D is good and gives a quick response on the computer screen to which it is tethered, very useful when you are taking multiple images to stack.

            I bought the 50D, used and cheap, to test out the Magic Lantern software, very interesting, why doesn't Canon provide all these features, it's only software so little extra cost.

            Every camera has its uses (trying to convince myself).
            EOS 6D, 6D Mk II, 80D, 70D, 100D, 200D, M50, M100. Canon 10-18, 18 - 55, 55 - 250 IS STM lenses, Canon 16 - 35 mm F4L, 35 mm EF-S macro, 50 mm F1.8 STM, 60 mm EF-S macro, MPE-65 macro, 85 mm F1.8, 200 mm F2.8 L II, M 15 - 45 mm, M 22mm F2, M 32mm F1.4. Sigma 24 - 35 F2 Art, 135 mm F1.8 Art, 17 - 50 F2.8 DC, 105 mm OS macro, 100 - 400 C, 150 - 600 C.

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              #7
              Re: 200D

              Wish you would post more photos here Richard . I admire your knowledge and the way you work things out regarding weight and focal lengths ect . I nearly always take two bodies with me , one full frame and my 7D for that bit more reach .

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                #8
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                Nice write up. I am almost tempted to keep my 750D dictate I can have two bodies with different focal length lenses as I always seem to have the "wrong" lens and also don't like changing too often "in the field".
                Chris
                80D - 10-18 IS STM - 15-85 IS USM - 55-250 IS STM - 50 f/1.8 STM - 100-400L IS II USM - 100 f/2.8L Macro - 1.4x III

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                  #9
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                  Now that the 200D is down to £509 (with free Canon bag) and mpb have offered £180 for my 100D...I'm tempted to upgrade...especially as the sensor is the same at the highly regarded 80D and it has digit 7 so a real step change in performance
                  Any thoughts or concerns about the 200D....I assume there have been no issues having not seen any here?
                  Brian Vickers LRPS

                  brianvickersphotography.com

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                    #10
                    Re: 200D

                    DPreview is generally the home of "This camera is rubbish" threads and after a quick look I've seen nothing of the sort, it seems to be full of people praising it. Looks like Canon have a winner.
                    EOS 7D mk II, Sigma 150-660C, Canon 17-85 EF-S, Tamron 10-24 and a wife who shares my obsession.

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                      #11
                      Re: 200D

                      Thanks Andy.
                      Brian Vickers LRPS

                      brianvickersphotography.com

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                        #12
                        Re: 200D

                        It has already become my favourite body. Unless you're interested in high speed action it can do almost everything any of the other APS-C bodies with the same sensor can at the same quality. (Unless you need to do a/f microadjustment).
                        I know people talk about a light camera being "unbalanced" with a large lens, but that's something I never notice, and I'm not sure who "balances" a camera. I've happily tried this body with the Sigma 100 - 400 C and it's fine, I hold the lens with my left hand and the lighter the body attached the better as far as I'm concerned.
                        EOS 6D, 6D Mk II, 80D, 70D, 100D, 200D, M50, M100. Canon 10-18, 18 - 55, 55 - 250 IS STM lenses, Canon 16 - 35 mm F4L, 35 mm EF-S macro, 50 mm F1.8 STM, 60 mm EF-S macro, MPE-65 macro, 85 mm F1.8, 200 mm F2.8 L II, M 15 - 45 mm, M 22mm F2, M 32mm F1.4. Sigma 24 - 35 F2 Art, 135 mm F1.8 Art, 17 - 50 F2.8 DC, 105 mm OS macro, 100 - 400 C, 150 - 600 C.

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                          #13
                          Re: 200D

                          Thanks Richard...its worth the upgrade....looking at the specs the 800D is similar with better AF but about 10mm bigger in every dimension...is that your take?
                          I question that because the prices are in the same league ....I've seen the 800D at HDEW for about £460 I think.
                          Brian Vickers LRPS

                          brianvickersphotography.com

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                            #14
                            Re: 200D

                            The 800D has a much better a/f system 45 cross-type a/f points. If I only had one body, I'd rather have the 800D for that reason, but I already have the 80D for any action shots I might want to try.

                            HDEW presently have the 800D for £515. They don't seem to have the 200D.

                            I bought my 200 D from here where it is £364.99. Delivery was really quick but it is of course a grey import.


                            Although it doesn't look much smaller than the 800D on paper, it actually feels quite a bit smaller and fits into a smaller space, better made than the 100D though. I bought it mainly for the small size, much the same weight as an M5. With the screen folded out and Live View, it can pretty much perform like a mirrorless camera with excellent a/f system, at the same weight and lower price, with the advantage of fitting any existing lenses without adapters and still being a dslr, two cameras in one in many ways.
                            EOS 6D, 6D Mk II, 80D, 70D, 100D, 200D, M50, M100. Canon 10-18, 18 - 55, 55 - 250 IS STM lenses, Canon 16 - 35 mm F4L, 35 mm EF-S macro, 50 mm F1.8 STM, 60 mm EF-S macro, MPE-65 macro, 85 mm F1.8, 200 mm F2.8 L II, M 15 - 45 mm, M 22mm F2, M 32mm F1.4. Sigma 24 - 35 F2 Art, 135 mm F1.8 Art, 17 - 50 F2.8 DC, 105 mm OS macro, 100 - 400 C, 150 - 600 C.

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                              #15
                              Re: 200D

                              I am sure you will find the 200D a very good camera. As you know I changed my 100D to my present 760D for wildlife shooting, as it was easier to handhold esp with the heavier 70-300mm + TC attached. As long as you don't often use heavier lenses attached to the 200D it should be fine.
                              Canon 6D; Canon 760D;Canon G15;Canon 40mm f2.8(Pancake);Canon 50mm f1.8(ii); Canon 17mm-40mm f4L;Canon EF-S 10-18mm f4.5-5.6 IS STM;Canon EF-S 55-250mm f4-5.6 STM lens;Canon 24mm-105mmf4L IS;Canon 70-300mm f4-f5.6 L IS USM;Kenko 1.4x HD TC;Canon 430EX ii flash;Giottos tripod;Manfretto monopod;Cokin P filters + bits and pieces!

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