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    #16
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    it's interesting that reviews of the new Nikons have been mixed, but very few people have their hands on them yet. I'm not in the slightest bit interested but I can't see anyone having a sensible view until the final model is in people's hands for real.
    Some issues can just be taken from the specs, a particular one is that even the professional level (£3,499) Z 7 only has a single card slot which apparently is a big negative for many professionals. It uses XQD cards which aren't presently common and are expensive but are faster and said to be more reliable than SD or CF.

    lack of native lenses is the thing that is holding back the Canon EOS M series.
    I'm sure that's true, Canon just don't seem to have taken the M series that seriously. Maybe they have just been using them to test out mirrorless technology ready for their full frame models. Actually the M50 plus adapter (387 + 110 grams = 497 grams) is heavier than the 200D (453 grams), which is presently my favourite body, so no weight saving with my existing lenses.

    Fortunately our existing kit will continue to work as well as it always has, which in my case is better than I really need. I like to buy cheap second hand photography books. Many of these date back about 8 - 10 years when the 5D II and the 1DS III were the professional choice. Funnily enough, I don't remember ever seeing an image in these books and thinking "that would be so much better if only they had a 5D IV, a 5DSR or a full frame mirrorless body". It might be easier for the photographer with a later model camera, but I've not seen any improvement in actual images whether in books or on screen. The D30 is the only body I still have which I'd definitely consider obsolete, all the others are perfectly capable of taking decent images, it's the six inches behind the viewfinder that needs improvement.
    EOS 6D, 6D Mk II, 80D, 70D, 100D, 200D, M50, M100. Canon 10-18, 18 - 55, 55 - 250 IS STM lenses, Canon 16 - 35 mm F4L, 35 mm EF-S macro, 50 mm F1.8 STM, 60 mm EF-S macro, MPE-65 macro, 85 mm F1.8, 200 mm F2.8 L II, M 15 - 45 mm, M 22mm F2, M 32mm F1.4. Sigma 24 - 35 F2 Art, 135 mm F1.8 Art, 17 - 50 F2.8 DC, 105 mm OS macro, 100 - 400 C, 150 - 600 C.

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      #17
      Re: Canon full frame mirrorless camera

      On the subject of slots, Thom Hogan has an interesting view on this. His usage, and he claims it’s that of many others, is to use only the XQD slot on his Nikons as the second slot is always SD - note the 7D II has CF and SD - and hence slower than the first slot. For action this slows the camera down quite a bit - writing to the second as a backup - so people have stopped doing it. To be fair, I did the same on my 7DII and now with the X Pro 2 because while the second slot is still SD, it’s much slower than the first. It’s one way to look at it, though wedding photographers probably won’t be following that chain of reasoning I guess....

      You’re spot on with the 100D/200D. Very nice little cameras and it’s hard to see the benefit of one of the M series in terms of size, but there is the WYSIWYG viewfinder which makes getting exposure right much easier...
      EOS 7D mk II, Sigma 150-660C, Canon 17-85 EF-S, Tamron 10-24 and a wife who shares my obsession.

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        #18
        Re: Canon full frame mirrorless camera

        Latest rumour :
        According to serial-leakers Nokishita, Canon’s new mirrorless camera will be announced at some point during the next four weeks. They’ve just posted a list for...
        EOS 6D, 6D Mk II, 80D, 70D, 100D, 200D, M50, M100. Canon 10-18, 18 - 55, 55 - 250 IS STM lenses, Canon 16 - 35 mm F4L, 35 mm EF-S macro, 50 mm F1.8 STM, 60 mm EF-S macro, MPE-65 macro, 85 mm F1.8, 200 mm F2.8 L II, M 15 - 45 mm, M 22mm F2, M 32mm F1.4. Sigma 24 - 35 F2 Art, 135 mm F1.8 Art, 17 - 50 F2.8 DC, 105 mm OS macro, 100 - 400 C, 150 - 600 C.

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          #19
          Re: Canon full frame mirrorless camera

          Canon Rumours seem to think it's pretty certain (they went with a "confirmed" rating), and the launch date is close enough they could be right (Canon are great at keeping secrets until a couple of weeks before a launch)...


          We finally have the full list of gear that Canon will announce on September 5, 2018.

          Canon EOS R body
          Canon EOS R w/24-105mm f/4L kit
          Canon BG-E22
          Canon RF 35mm f/1.8 M IS
          Canon RF 50mm f/1.2L USM
          Canon RF 28-70mm f/2L USM
          Canon RF 24-105mm f/4L USM
          Canon EF-M 32mm f/1.4 STM
          Canon EF 400mm f/2.8L IS III
          Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS III
          The lens may have a different name, no confirmation yet.
          M (or Mount) adapter R?
          Since only “M.ADAP R” “M.ADAP R ND” “M.ADAP R PL” is written in the simple order form, the official name is unknown
          PD – E1 is also included in the accessory list


          Is it wrong I want the 400 III more... ???
          Last edited by DrJon; 31-08-2018, 16:46.

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            #20
            Re: Canon full frame mirrorless camera

            Yep I saw this earlier as well , canon f/f mirrorless , and followed by on the 25th Panasonic FF to and Olympus also expected to announce a game changer shortly possibly 8k . Going to be a interesting start to 2019 that’s a certainty , bet the Nikon guys are chewing there fingernails . Everything now depends on ,price, quality, and compatibility ... but of course the real answer is do we really need it .... and will our present range of computers be able to handle it .... I think we are at the dawn of a bigger change than from film to digital ... time will tell

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              #21
              Re: Canon full frame mirrorless camera

              It will be very interesting...will they be as bold to make a rangefinder style camera like the XPro2....or take the opportunity to change the familiar user interface.....like an f stop ring and dials instead of buttons and menus as so many have liked in the fuji and leica offerings.
              Brian Vickers LRPS

              brianvickersphotography.com

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                #22
                Re: Canon full frame mirrorless camera

                Leaked pictures here :

                Looks very different from the DSLRs.
                EOS 6D, 6D Mk II, 80D, 70D, 100D, 200D, M50, M100. Canon 10-18, 18 - 55, 55 - 250 IS STM lenses, Canon 16 - 35 mm F4L, 35 mm EF-S macro, 50 mm F1.8 STM, 60 mm EF-S macro, MPE-65 macro, 85 mm F1.8, 200 mm F2.8 L II, M 15 - 45 mm, M 22mm F2, M 32mm F1.4. Sigma 24 - 35 F2 Art, 135 mm F1.8 Art, 17 - 50 F2.8 DC, 105 mm OS macro, 100 - 400 C, 150 - 600 C.

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                  #23
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                  Thanks Richard....not sure if that is similar in size to the 200D. Seems like the lenses are pro versions but the body is not if it only has one card slot. Maybe connectivity defeats the need for a second card if connected to internet or remote storage by WiFi and continual upload..that would be a first.
                  Brian Vickers LRPS

                  brianvickersphotography.com

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                    #24
                    Re: Canon full frame mirrorless camera

                    I'm excited...what will be released by Canon tomorrow?!?!
                    Brian Vickers LRPS

                    brianvickersphotography.com

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                      #25
                      Re: Canon full frame mirrorless camera

                      Originally posted by ST-EOS View Post
                      Brian my thoughts for what they are worth. I suspect that Canon would retain lens compatibility between DSLR and any potential Mirrorless offerings.
                      But even if they didn’t it wouldn’t take long for conversion adapters to appear on the market.


                      Sent from somewhere in Gods County using Tapatalk
                      I spotted this article from Northlight Images which describes the Canon lens mount history, along with details of the associated lenses.
                      The author also details the latest “R” FF Mirrorless camera mounts and lens offerings.
                      Hopefully some on here may find it informative and interesting, link below :-
                      Canon camera mounts and change. Canon FD, EF, EF-S, EF-M and RF. How does it affect your photography and does it really matter



                      Sent from somewhere in Gods County using Tapatalk
                      Peter

                      Feel free to browse my
                      Website : www.peterstockton-photography.co.uk
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                        #26
                        Re: Canon full frame mirrorless camera

                        It's here :
                        Setting new standards, the Canon EOS R is a pioneering full frame mirrorless camera offering faster response time, 4k video, high quality images and optimal performance.
                        EOS 6D, 6D Mk II, 80D, 70D, 100D, 200D, M50, M100. Canon 10-18, 18 - 55, 55 - 250 IS STM lenses, Canon 16 - 35 mm F4L, 35 mm EF-S macro, 50 mm F1.8 STM, 60 mm EF-S macro, MPE-65 macro, 85 mm F1.8, 200 mm F2.8 L II, M 15 - 45 mm, M 22mm F2, M 32mm F1.4. Sigma 24 - 35 F2 Art, 135 mm F1.8 Art, 17 - 50 F2.8 DC, 105 mm OS macro, 100 - 400 C, 150 - 600 C.

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                          #27
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                          very interesting....only one card slot....sensible resolution.....do we have a prices yet?
                          Brian Vickers LRPS

                          brianvickersphotography.com

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                            #28
                            Re: Canon full frame mirrorless camera

                            Body on Park £2349, so less than 5dIV.
                            No IBIS, already getting beat up on social media for that, only mirrorless without IBIS?
                            EOS 6D, 6D Mk II, 80D, 70D, 100D, 200D, M50, M100. Canon 10-18, 18 - 55, 55 - 250 IS STM lenses, Canon 16 - 35 mm F4L, 35 mm EF-S macro, 50 mm F1.8 STM, 60 mm EF-S macro, MPE-65 macro, 85 mm F1.8, 200 mm F2.8 L II, M 15 - 45 mm, M 22mm F2, M 32mm F1.4. Sigma 24 - 35 F2 Art, 135 mm F1.8 Art, 17 - 50 F2.8 DC, 105 mm OS macro, 100 - 400 C, 150 - 600 C.

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                              #29
                              Re: Canon full frame mirrorless camera

                              Originally posted by Richard W View Post
                              Body on Park £2349, so less than 5dIV.
                              And $2299 in the US, equivalent to £1794 at current rates.
                              Chris
                              80D - 10-18 IS STM - 15-85 IS USM - 55-250 IS STM - 50 f/1.8 STM - 100-400L IS II USM - 100 f/2.8L Macro - 1.4x III

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                                #30
                                Re: Canon full frame mirrorless camera

                                And $2299 in the US, equivalent to £1794 at current rates.
                                But US prices are pre-tax, which varies from state to state, UK includes 20% VAT.
                                EOS 6D, 6D Mk II, 80D, 70D, 100D, 200D, M50, M100. Canon 10-18, 18 - 55, 55 - 250 IS STM lenses, Canon 16 - 35 mm F4L, 35 mm EF-S macro, 50 mm F1.8 STM, 60 mm EF-S macro, MPE-65 macro, 85 mm F1.8, 200 mm F2.8 L II, M 15 - 45 mm, M 22mm F2, M 32mm F1.4. Sigma 24 - 35 F2 Art, 135 mm F1.8 Art, 17 - 50 F2.8 DC, 105 mm OS macro, 100 - 400 C, 150 - 600 C.

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