First attempt to submit photos - hope they make it -- Last year when I went I ran out of film - This year armed with the 5D MkII made up for that by taking over 30 gigs --- Any/all comments appreciated
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Colin -- Do you folks get to see any of these at your AirShows --- Not at all sure if this was real or not -- But it did look interesting --- And from all of us to all of you thanks for the "Merlin" -- Without it the P51 would have been another version of the last photo ---
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I haven't seen an FW 190 over here, though there are a few ME 109's and also some P40's.
I seem to recall that the Allison engined P51a was built as a requirement for the RAF, but was rejected as not fit for purpose. It was underpowered and had quite a low service ceiling compared to the then current German fighters. It was an American suggestion that Rolls Royce trial fit a Merlin engine into a P51 airframe and from that suggestion, history was made.
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Hi Colin,
I seem to recall that the Allison engine was very good, but at low level - well up to 15,000 ft. The top speed of the Mustang 1a was just over 380mph - more the effect of the laminar flow wing section, probably. There were 4 Mustang 1a's converted to Merlin power, for evaluation purposes, I think (apologies if I'm wrong) & the rest as they say............is history!
The other thing - I always thought it was a British idea to install the Merlin, but I could be wrong.
A couple form last years Victory Show -pity there isn't going to be one this year!
TTFN,
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Neilly:
Great photos!!!!
-- I'm with you as regarding the Allison - In that the idea to put the Merlin in the P-51 came from the Brits --- Now if the folks at North America were smart they never would have equipped the plane with the Allison -- Right or wrong I always associated the Allison with the P-40 -- Fun to photograph but a rather long in the tooth design by 1940. Now I did read that the Merlin was originally based on the US designed WWI V-12 Liberty --- I "think" the 1st photo is a Allison powered P-51Attached Files- 174a - P 51a - Chino Air 5-15-10 - Low Res - .CR2.jpg (51.5 KB, 6 views)
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- 322a - P-40 & P-38 - Chino Air Show - 5-15-2010 - Low Res -.CR2.JPG.CR2.jpg (17.1 KB, 6 views)
Last edited by Ken Stern; 05-06-2010, 22:19.
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Hi Ken,
I'm a big P-40 fan - I just love that big mouth of an air intake at the front. I love that last pic of yours - the P-38 & P-40 together look superb. We have a P-40 that drops into the local air field from time to time. Just wish it was a bit more often.
The first pic is a North America A-36 - I think this was the designated ground attack version of the early P-51 - I might be wrong about this.
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I also always understood that it was a British idea to shoehorn the Merlin into a P51, but after watching a Discovery program regarding the development of the P51, they mentioned it was a conversation between a development engineer from North American and Rolls Royce that started it. Something along the lines of: "a marriage of your engine and our aircraft would be one hell of a plane".
As the rest of the program appeared to be very well researched, I deferred to that version.
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Hi All,
Just re read a chapter in the autobiography of Wilfred Freeman. You're all probably saying Wilfred Who? Look him up on Google - in my opinion, had he not reorganized many aspects of the RAF, then the Germans would have probably won the Battle of Britain. Anyway, there's a chapter all about the Mustang & cutting through the chase - The Mustang arrived at RAF's AFDU in April 1942 - proves to be very quick & maneuverable but only any good up to 15,000 ft. Wing Commander Campbell-Orde sees the potential of the new aircraft & invites Ronnie Harker, Rolls-Royce test pilot, to come & fly it. Harker had been test flying the new Spitfire IX prototype, he was very impressed with the Mustang. Tests against, firstly a Spitfire Vb & then a Mk IX, were quickly arranged & it was found the Allison engined Mustang was approx 30-35 mph faster than the Spitfires.
News of the Tests soon reached Ernest Hives, R-R general Manager, who informed Freeman. Freeman ordered the planning of putting a Merlin 61 into the Mustang airframe. An Allison powered Mustang was delivered to R-R Hucknall, Derbyshire for conversion. It was shortly after this that the American involve happened. US Ambassador Winant & his air attache Tommy Hitchcock were informed of what was going on, with a view to putting Packard Merlin engines into the Mustang. This was in June 1942.
This is a very, very basic view of what happened.
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