7D v 5D Mlll

[Dave_S]

Re: 7D v 5D Mlll

Its a lovely thought Mike, but to be honest, the 1DX is just too big and heavy to cart around.

My wife and I like travelling to foreign parts, and she thinks I'm daft lugging the 7D and 24-105L around with me.

Its rare for me to actually get into one of the photos, but when I hand her the camera, and say take one of me, she says "that's heavy, how can you be comfortable carrying that around with you".

The 5D is a 130g heavier than the 7D, and I'm sure she will notice

Also, as being no more than an enthusiastic amateur of average ability, a pro camera like the 1DX would be wasted on me.

Dave

[Dave_S]

Re: 7D v 5D Mlll

Interesting!!

I had a chat with a couple of prominent retailers today, as being interested in buying a 5D Mklll. and asked a direct question:

"does Canon (UK) control the price you set, or do the retailers have a 'gentleman's agreement not to undercut each other"

The answer was, that the margins are so small, the £2329 price that the majority of dealers are charging for the 5D, is sensibly as low as they can afford to go. Which I think is probably an honest answer.

However, this begs the question, how can the likes of hdew, a UK based company, import the camera, with UK import duty paid, sell it for over £400 less (inc vat), with a 3 year warranty, and still make a profit?

All of the cameras must, in the first place, come from Canon, so are we as consumers, 'paying though the nose' to support Canon (UK)?

A camera bought as a so called 'grey import' is identical to one the retailer has sourced through Canon (UK). The only difference being that Canon (UK) provide a 1 year warranty, and the independent importer a 3 year warranty.

I assume that any work carried out under warranty by Canon (UK) is undertaken by their own engineers, whereas with hdew and Pro Camera etc, the camera gets sent to a Canon approved repair centre. Is there any difference in the quality of repair work I wonder?.

I did notice BTW, that Digital Depot and Currys are offering a two year warranty. The first year with Canon (UK), and the second year covered by themselves.

Dave

[AndyA]

Re: 7D v 5D Mlll

I bought my 5D3 from PC World and they did indeed include a 2 year warranty. I was under the impression that the 2nd year is also covered by Canon UK, I'm sure I checked this with Canon UK, but I can't seem to find the correspondence now!


Edit: I think I actually spoke to someone at Canon UK about the warranty, the 2nd year warranty was agreed between PC World/Currys and Canon. Jessops didn't have the same warranty agreement with Canon UK.

[Dave_S]

Re: 7D v 5D Mlll

Digtital Depot told me, that the first year is covered by Canon (UK), as you would expect, but the second year is covered by themselves.

They did say that the camera would still go back to Canon (UK), but that they would cover the cost.

However, I still feel that we are being somewhat 'ripped off', when the same camera bought from prominent UK retailers, who in turn have sourced it from Canon (UK), costs over £400 more than buying the same camera, from the likes of hdew and pro-camera.

Someone is taking a very large bite out of the cherry, and it seems that it isn't the prominent UK retailers!!.

Dave

[AndyA]

Re: 7D v 5D Mlll

I'd decided that as it was such an expensive purchase, I'd stump up the extra for an official UK camera, purely for peace of mind warranty wise. Others may put forward valid reasons not to do as I did, but that choice felt right for me.

[Dave_S]

Re: 7D v 5D Mlll

I follow your thinking Andy, and the same thoughts have been going through my mind.

I like to support our UK retailers, but paying an extra £400 to do so, goes against the grain. Even though the retailer is not the reason behind it, but what appears to be greed, further back in the supply chain.

Dave

[AndyA]

Re: 7D v 5D Mlll

Agreed. It would be nice if a second hand 'UK' bought camera commanded a higher value than an import, but I suspect that's not the case.

[Dave_S]

Re: 7D v 5D Mlll

Hmmm!!, I think temptation has got the better of me , and I'm on the verge on going for the 5D MkIII now, even though the boat is yet to be sold.

I've also decided that I won't keep the 7D, as I know it won't be used if I have the 5D around. Not going to part ex it, even though I've been offered £600, as I can then shop around for the best price on the 5D, and I would sooner let a private buyer benefit from the 7D.

Just need to make sure I'm not letting my heart rule my head.

Dave

[AndyA]

Re: 7D v 5D Mlll

A big decision is worth sleeping on, but I think you've done that several times over already. You only live once .... although I'm more than happy to be proven wrong.

[Dave_S]

Re: 7D v 5D Mlll

You are right Andy, I've thought of little else since putting the boat up for sale, triggered the thought of getting a new camera, or a 5D MkIII to be more precise, and now the enthusiasm has grown.

I've already lived 71 years of my life, I don't think I'll get another 71, and 'there are no pockets in a shroud' so they tell me.

I see that Digital Depot has a used 7D up for sale at £829, and I bet its not as new and having as low a shutter count as mine.

I'll have to advertise it elsewhere, as being a non EOS magazine subscriber, I can't do that here, which is only fair.

Dave

[Cyberman]

Re: 7D v 5D Mlll

However, this begs the question, how can the likes of hdew, a UK based company, import the camera, with UK import duty paid, sell it for over £400 less (inc vat), with a 3 year warranty, and still make a profit?

All of the cameras must, in the first place, come from Canon, so are we as consumers, 'paying though the nose' to support Canon UK

Canon UK will buy their stock from Canon who sell it to them at a session price. Taking into account exchange rates and other markets it's not unreasonable to think other countries will get their stock at a different session price.
Canon UK will then have to put a certain margin on to cover their costs, again another country may have lower margin requirements.


So I think it's just a case of UK business costs rather than any devious intent.

Just out of interest this is based on my experience looking after a products for a large multinational, albeit in a different business segment.

[AndyA]

Re: 7D v 5D Mlll

I'll have to advertise it elsewhere, as being a non EOS magazine subscriber, I can't do that here, which is only fair.

Dave

It's a shame that we non EOS Mag subscribers can't see the classifieds section, but I can understand the thoughts behind that. Although, I kind of think that if the rules were changed slightly, it may just be to the benefit of others. Perhaps something along the lines of:- only subscribers can post adverts, but those adverts can be seem by all forum members, therefore increasing the chance of a sale?

Do you use Facebook at all? They have a Camera sale section https://www.facebook.com/groups/second.hand.photo.gear/

[briansquibb]

Re: 7D v 5D Mlll

I would chose the 5DIII without hesitation.

The 7D is now old technology and looking dated.

Another alternative might be the 6D ...

[Dave_S]

Re: 7D v 5D Mlll

I don't use Facebook, or Twitter either Andy.

To me they are a boring diary of peoples everyday life. Its a wonder they don't report each time they go to the toilet.

I agree that it would be a benefit to magazine subscribers if we could all see the adverts, but continue to allow only subscribers to advertise.

Wouldn't actually benefit me, as I'm one of those silly people that only ever buys new gear.

As for the 60D, not for me I'm afraid, as I do like a camera with a mag alloy body, as opposed to polycarbonate.

Dave

[Dave_S]

Re: 7D v 5D Mlll

Andy, tried to send you a PM,but your 'inbox' is full.

Dave